Is Anyone Interested On Hearing A Radical And Controversial Viewpoint?

[jono49]

Well what a surprise, just when I'd given up on my fellow working men for sleep walking into the Abyss! It turns out some of us a truly awake :good: well done lads for speaking out,  Fixit your bang on the money....."The dirty Money" the future is all about data......Your data and it's the global banks who want it, all those who boast about paying everthing by card, you've given all your spending habits away to them, even what reading material you've ordered from "Amazon" this is collected also for profiling.....and maybe your political views? and then there's Whatsapp, and Facebook if you think this is rubbish go on youtube and listen to Edward Snowden and other whistle blowers tell what data the NSA and CIA gather on the general poulation!!!!!

[toddyboy]

 

 

one of the problems is the now well known misreporting of deaths. Every covid death reported by a hospital, in Italy at least, receives nearly 9000 Euro paid back to them. I suspect our hospitals will have access to emergency funding too. And that might explain the recent case why a hospital in the UK recorded a death as a covid death of a young child who died of a tragic accident at home, and when his parents received the death certificate they insisted it be corrected. Eddie Large died of a heart attack.  not an argument, just an observation that many places are reporting a similar practice, where people already at deaths door have tested  positive with a PCR test (which isn't a covid -19 specific test), are written up as coronavirus deaths

Now you sir are someone who actually LOOKS at the facts & doesn't just listen to all the hype. Well done that man!

Well what a surprise, just when I'd given up on my fellow working men for sleep walking into the Abyss! It turns out some of us a truly awake :good: well done lads for speaking out,  Fixit your bang on the money....."The dirty Money" the future is all about data......Your data and it's the global banks who want it, all those who boast about paying everthing by card, you've given all your spending habits away to them, even what reading material you've ordered from "Amazon" this is collected also for profiling.....and maybe your political views? and then there's Whatsapp, and Facebook if you think this is rubbish go on youtube and listen to Edward Snowden and other whistle blowers tell what data the NSA and CIA gather on the general poulation!!!!!

 

You got it bang on mate. We all need to wake the F**K up before we're put to sleep permanently

[Catteeclan]

Liking this .

[Quartermaster]

I realise that it's impossible to argue with conspiracy theorists so I won't even try. I'd just like to say that I'm disappointed and saddened that these views are being aired on such a normally intelligent site whilst thousands of people continue to die of this virus.

[toddyboy]

Listen, this is a discussion, nothing more. We live in a country that is apparently famed for the right of its citizens to free speech. And this IS related to being a biker - very much so. I can't legitimately ride my bike on this beautiful sunny Easter Sunday for the hell of it because someone said I can't, but they haven't given me the real reason why I can't. How do I know that, because I LOOKED. I don't just listen and take it on the chin. I'm not a 'conspiracy theorist" either. I never say anything unless I can back it up with heuristically researched facts from several sources as well as actual individuals I know. Bullies used to try telling me how I should behave myself when I was at school. They didn't last long cos I was big, I was strong and I didn't take any BS from anyone. I don't now either. If I could, I'd be talking about this in the real "Hyde Park Corner", standing on a soap box but oh, hang on a minute, you can't do that anymore. It's forbidden! Wake up people. Something is not right here. Don't go back to sleep. And please don't try to shut down an individuals right to free speech. It's one of the few freedoms we still have - isn't it?

[jono49]

I realise that it's impossible to argue with conspiracy theorists so I won't even try. I'd just like to say that I'm disappointed and saddened that these views are being aired on such a normally intelligent site whilst thousands of people continue to die of this virus.

 

So we lack intelligence and it's the end of free speach!......Would it be fair to say you voted to remain in the EU as well?

[toddyboy]

On the contrary, all you guys and gals on this forum are in my opinion extremely intelligent, that's why you ride TDM's. :wifgeni:

And no, I voted to leave the EU, whatever that's gotta do with it. 

[fixitsan]

I realise that it's impossible to argue with conspiracy theorists so I won't even try. I'd just like to say that I'm disappointed and saddened that these views are being aired on such a normally intelligent site whilst thousands of people continue to die of this virus.

I absolutely support that point of view too !  However there is plenty of evidence coming out of China to say that the WHO really dragged it's feet, to the point that you could say it colluded with China in attempting to hide the severity of the outbreak. And we simply do not need a WHO which is like that.  The spanner in the works there is that the USA is the largest contributor to the WHO, and Bill Gates is the second largest.

 

I think what we're seeing is a form of crisis management which we haven't seen before, but we shouldn't forget the great bodge by one of our own politicians a few years ago who was reported to have said "Never let a good crisis go to waste"....so where there might have been painful changes which might have been in need of being made, some of them will undoubtedly have been brought forward to capitalise on the effects of the pandemic.

 

The other aspect is that we have never had such a self induced financial collapse, while never hearing anything substantial from the banks who would normally have by now been publishing daily updates to reassure investors. That's why i think the banks are busy 'making use' of this lull in business. I'm not alone in thinking this is going to be an unexpected bonus to the banks,

 

Time will have to tell anyway. I think as a group of people we are averse to any ideas of a revolution or any other major change because we're all actually quite comfortable, on average.

 

The question now is, given the awful position China is now in, and companies disinvesting in China and moving their manufacturing out, it is clear that China isn't in a place of reformation. But on the other hand I'm almost viewing their leader, Xi Jingping , as a character who wants to 'turn down the volume' on the communism. As a child he saw his family dragged out into the streets and beaten by Maoists, and he apparently swore that if he should ever become leader he will make sure that his regime will not be brutal. He has removed nearly 1 million corrupt party officials and created the worlds largest and most rapidly expanding middle class, which definitely isn't a communist goal.

 

The question i wonder on is if things will ever return back to normal.So much financial damage has been done. so many small businesses finished, and a new economy needing to come in, the green economy, and lots of ideas about a welfare system which gives you money whether you're working or not. Keep an eye on Sweden, who have asserted that they want to be the world's first fossil fuel free welfare economy (their own words) , little Greta was an important recruit

 

And then there's the NHS, which my wife works in. Last year, over January and February, the hospital she works in cancelled all regular daytime clinics to focus on the seasonal flu outbreak. Consultants were paid extra rates to work int he evening at the hospital while the day consultancy slots were given over to treating flu patients. This year they have three covid wards, and the number of patients being attended to is lower now than last year.  Additionally, last year if someone die of heart failure while suffering from flu then heart failure was the first cause and influenza was noted as the second. Using this year's methodology someone dying of heart failure last year who had symptoms of flu would have been recorded as a flu death. But all over the world hosplitals (who receive a fixed amount per covid patient in compensation) are keenly recording as many covid patient deaths as possible....and if that's their only way of getting sufficient funding then they might just be doing what needs to be done

This post was last modified: 12-04-2020, 10:48 AM by fixitsan.

[JMC]

There is something killing a LOT more people on a daily basis, look at New York etc

Whatever it is I don't want it

It is real.....

[fixitsan]

There is something killing a LOT more people on a daily basis, look at New York etc

Whatever it is I don't want it

It is real.....

 

There is little doubt, except among conspiracy theorists, that thee is a real 'thing' going on. But the press have not been our friend here, many of them initially talking about how a coronavirus is a new and deadly strain of some other flu...maybe as bad as the Spanish Flu. And then there those who were a little more informed who recognised that coronaviruses aren't new at all, but this is just a novel mutation. In itself that makes it no more dangerous than any other until it's fatality rate is established.

 

From my own research, this virus is definitely more contagious than many types of coronavirus, but it has not been established yet that it is more deadly, and the reason i say that is that the test which is being used, the one which concerns the government greatly because it is prone to false positives, is called a PCR test, and it returns a positive result of you have the cold or flu type of coronavirus too.

 

This video below clears sup some of the details, but clearly, if you only test those people who are critically ill, and then they die, you will produce a result which shows that a large number of people which test positive, die.  An analogy to motorcycling here would be appropriate - if you only counted the number of motorcycle accidents which resulted in riders needing hospital attention, and then going on to die, you would produce a 'motorcycling fatality rate' which is incredibly high., that is because you only assumed that everyone who had an accident had to attend hospital,,and it is patently clear that that is not the case. Same here with the virus, if we test everybody in the country then we will know the actual death rate

 

And that's an interesting point, the silencing of Oxford University's leading professor of epidemiology, when she came out and said upto half of the population could have had the virus already. now what would that say about the death rate at that time - there had been 3000 deaths, and half of the population was about 30 million, so that would mean a death rate of roughly 0.01%. The flu death rate is up to 0.1%. So while we have a very contagious virus we have no real way of determining the actual death rate and therefore how this virus compares when it comes to the death rate of all coronaviruses.

 

This short video by a doctor explains some of the issues which I share too

https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI

 

It is thought that the actual number of deaths in Italy from corona is about 12% of the reported figure, which is actually roughly the same number of people who would probably test positive for corona in most of the populations anyway, even this time last year, and 5 years ago

This post was last modified: 12-04-2020, 12:05 PM by fixitsan.

[Riggers]

Many years ago I read somewhere that a part of a government's (ANY government's) raison d'etre is to keep the people afraid of something. That way the people need a government to help them with their fear, and offer hope of a way out.

 

This has always stuck in my mind. My first such fear was as a little boy in the 1950s when we were told a nuclear attack from Russia was imminent. Frightening TV announcements were transmitted telling you how to 'protect and survive' by taking a door off its hinges, putting it up against a wall and crawling underneath (I kid you not).

 

This matured into the Cold War with the fear of communism at its heart. With the fall of the USSR in the 90s terrorism has taken its place as the thing to keep you awake at night, and as we are gradually getting to grips with that, then global warming or climate change is being hoisted upon us.

 

Now corona virus is here and climate change doesn't get a look in.

 

Unlike Toddyboy and Fixitstan I haven't done my homework but I can see one common thread running through all of the above, and it's this. Every one of these fears gives government a reason to restrict our freedom for our own good.

 

I don't know whether Toddyboy and Stan are right or wrong but I DO believe we should stay very healthily sceptical.

[toddyboy]

Like I said earlier, there are some incredibly smart people on this forum. I'm going to say this again. This is all smoke and mirrors and skepticism is a healthy approach.

 

<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">I have an inquisitive mind and a fair bit of disregard for ‘authority,’ I especially don’t like being told to do things “for my own good or the good of others” unless I can see for myself that it would be a pro survival thing to do. I’ve always been like that and it’s stood me in good stead many times in the past. I guess that’s why I’m a biker. Some of the best and freest times I’ve experienced this lifetime were when I was tearing down roads or over dirt tracks on a bike. Anyone who’s ridden a bike will know what I mean.

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">I’m also 62 years old. I remember what I refer to as the ‘good ol’ days’ a time I when people were generally fairly fit, not obese, when we weren’t being watched day and night by CCTV, when if you wanted to buy healthy food or an Airfix model you went round to your local shop and got it. You didn’t order it online. It was a time when ‘staying in’ was considered a punishment and if you didn’t feel well you’d be given some Lucozade and an aspirin and sent to bed to sleep it off. There was no social media then. People socialised with each other on a personal level or they never saw anyone.<span> </span>

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">Nowadays I can’t ride freely without looking over my shoulder. I can barely go out for a walk without being watched by my neighbours. I can’t hug my 3 month old Granddaughter. No one wants to come within 6 feet of me and pretty much everyone I see is shit scared.

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">But <i>I’m</i> <span>not scared. You know why? Because there’s nothing to actually be scared of. I'm going to reiterate what i said earlier: T</span>his situation we find ourselves in today doesn’t make any sense to me, so I started to look behind the mass media rhetoric and the dire warnings to see if there was anything else to this utter fiasco, and lo and behold I found quite a lot of information that somehow never <i>got</i> to the mainstream media. Or if it did, they either couldn’t read or more ominously took no notice of it.

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">First off, THERE IS NO COVID-19 virus. It <i>doesn’t</i> exist. Burn that statement into your brain. What you are being told is a virus is actually an “EXOSOME”, a byproduct of a damaged cell. The human body is an amazing organism. It has many, many self protection mechanisms. When a cell gets damaged it’s first action is to protect itself by getting rid of whatever is causing the damage inside it. This is what the human body’s immune system does on a daily basis 24/7. A good analogy of this would be if a rat found it’s way into your kitchen and started chowing down on the dinner you were preparing. You would get that rat outa there in short order! That’s what <i>this</i> is, only some dick has mis-designated the exosome (a naturally occurring waste disposal vessel) as Covid-19 and has scared the entire planet into a lockdown frenzy. In essence, we’re all scared to death of a microscopic bag of trash.<span> </span>

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">My eldest daughter is an ICU nurse with a decade of on the job experience and several years university study before that. I asked her if she knew about exosomes, she said of course she did and vindicated my research to the letter. I did the same with a surgeon who I have known for many years. The answer was the same. Look up “Exosome” yourself. Ask someone you know who is knowledgable in the makeup of the body if you can. Don’t take my word for it.

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">Secondly, “what about all the deaths then? People are dying all over the place apparently!” This is a delicate subject. Ok. First off you need to realise that every year around the world 650,000 people die each year because of respiratory flu like causes. They are called ili’s (influenza like illnesses) But that’s not ALL deaths, not by a long shot, that’s just the ones who succumbed to Flu like symptoms. Again, If you don’t believe me look it up yourself.<span> </span>

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">The existing “test” which was invented in the mid eighties and is still used today does <i>not</i> test for Covid-19, it tests for “genetic material,” which pretty much everyone has in their bodies 24/7. If a person has a <i>lot</i> of this specific type of Genetic material it shows up as positive on the test, but it’s an ambiguous gauge at best and isn’t specific to Covid-19. Why? Because there IS no Covid-19. What is showing up are Exosomes. Again, if you don’t believe me, look it up.

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">The fact is, people are dying around the world right now, not at an “exponential rate’ but at circa the same rate as they always have for the past decade or so. The only difference today is an administrative one, in that anyone who tests positive for unwanted genetic material in their body and subsequently dies of respiratory, cardio vascular or pulmonary disease or pretty much anything, immediately gets classified as dying of Covid-19 regardless. Some people, very few, who appear perfectly healthy otherwise also die, but more of that later. The Italian Govt, the worst hit Country have come out and attested to the fact that 99% of fatalities after ‘contracting ‘Covid-19’ were already ill with one or more other debilitating illness.<span> </span>

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">No autopsies are permitted if someone dies and is designated as having died after contracting Covid-19 so no one ever really knows what they actually died of. They just know that Covid-19 was put down on the death certificate as the cause of death. But even that is spurious because now, only <i>one</i> single person is permitted to sign off the cause of death without a coroners report or an autopsy to verify it. One, <i>not</i> two! That’s unprecedented and very stupid. In essence, the test being used is badly inaccurate and flawed as an actual test and the death count from ‘Covid-19 is almost certainly far lower than what the mass hysteric media are saying it is. Then again, it makes great headlines so why wouldn’t they? Don’t believe me? Again, look for yourself.

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">Oh, and by the way, Exosomes have exactly the same characteristics as “Covid-19.” How odd?Under an electron microscope, they look identical to what we’re being told is this ‘Covid-19 virus.’ They are also composed of exactly the same material as this mis-designated ‘Covid-19 virus’ we’re all being told is deadly and elusive and oh so prevalent in society. But then again, not everyone has an electron microscope do they so they can’t easily look for themselves.<span> </span>

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">This would be a funny joke if it weren't so serious. It’s like a punch and Judy show - “Oh yes it is - Oh no it isn’t!” Only it isn’t even really like that, it’s more like “Oh yes it is! - Oh, er, yes of course it is, because you said it is and I’m not going to dispute what you say because what the fuck do I know!” And into the sheep pen we go. It’s like the blind leading the blind. The worrying thing is, are those leading us <i>really</i> blind or do they actually know what they’re doing. Only the facts will tell us that. The REAL facts.<span> </span>

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">No, ‘Covid-19’ isn’t what you’re being told it is by the mainstream media. It’s actually an exosome, a naturally occurring by product of a damaged cell. When it’s being formed inside the cell it’s called an Endosome. When it’s ejected it’s called an Exosome. It’s a damaged portion of DNA that’s toxic and is being thrown out by the body to be disposed of. It’s not even alive per-se. It’s damaged organic material destined for the dustbin. It is made inside the body and excreted. It doesn’t come from an external source or find its way into the body through the eyes, mouth or nose. https://youtu.be/DG317iwwAhY

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">Someone has seriously got their facts arse about face here. Again, if you don’t believe what I’m saying type in to your browser “Dr Kaufman, Exosomes” and make your own mind up by getting this info from a professional, qualified source. There are actually quite a few sources of data on this subject but this one is the clearest I’ve seen and quite understandable from a laymans viewpoint. Or if you can't manage that, here it is here: https://youtu.be/IxG1cp28SCo

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">Now, you then <i>have</i> to ask yourself, if all or even half of what I’m saying here is <i>actually</i> true why aren’t we being told this, or at least why hasn’t the subject of exosomes being thoroughly investigated by the experts we put all our trust in? Well, that’s a very good question. I’ll let you make your own minds up on that one.

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<p style="font-size:11px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:rgb(0,0,0);">Wake up peeps before the men in white suits come to give you your miracle cure jab (a.k.a. vaccine). Cos if it gets to that and you agree to have it ‘because they said it’ll help you and your loved ones’ you might never be able to wake up ever again.

This post was last modified: 13-04-2020, 04:05 PM by toddyboy.

[Robodene]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

[bjorge]

First off, THERE IS NO COVID-19 virus. It <i>doesn’t</i> exist.

 

The irony of someone telling others to stop believing the crap that they're told - while of course at the same time supplying the one and only truth - usually based on what some guy said or what my brother-in-law experienced.

 

Also, the irony of the stupidest people being most sure about their own intelligence.

[Splodge]

So, tin-foil crash helmets are a thing now. 

Might I therefore suggest the use of ear-plugs when being subjected to "information" such as this.

Oh, and try to keep the loonies in the rubber room. They got out a while ago and caused Brexit. This time they're going to get you all killed. Build a wall or something FFS.

[toddyboy]

Hey guys, I'm just having a chat here, a bit of banter. You can respond in a civil manner or call me all the names you like, I've got a thick skin and welcome any comments. This is a free country after all and free speech is what the UK is famous for, right? My dad fought the Nazi's in the second world war in El-Alemain. He survived and came back home. He always told me never to back off if you see something you think is wrong. He had a great saying "The price of freedom is constant alertness, constant willingness to fight back." I don't know where he got that saying from but it always stuck with me.

[peter-may]

Go for a ride, chances are you won't get stopped, and if you do, you'll get your chance to have your say. Stressing is going to get you long before this mythical (your oinion) pandemic. .

[toddyboy]

Go for a ride, chances are you won't get stopped, and if you do, you'll get your chance to have your say. Stressing is going to get you long before this mythical (your oinion) pandemic. .

 

The thing is, I'm not stressed at all and I do go for a ride every single  day. After all, I have to go shopping to eat, don't I  :cake eating:  

[Robodene]

As to behaviour, and as an aside, to take breath, I see the biking community obeying the 'rules' like I never expected. I am on a country ride-out route. There are no bikes.

[Snowbird]

I had to go and sort some bits for my mum yesterday and there was no way I was taking the bloody car, empty roads, not a sign of plod, and the averaging cameras on the A1 face the front, absolutely fecking brilliant!

Keep quiet Toddyboy, I'm all for the lockdown.....