CHAIN ADJUSTER SCREWS

[Guest]

Hi Folks,

My bike is still in warranty so its just had its 12000 service at a dealer - when I got it back the back wheel was not in line (they had used the swing-arm marks but they are miles out). When I went to adjust it correctly the adjuster screw broke in two!

Where the screws pass through the alloy casting into the box section of the swing-arm a ring of corrosion had formed - when this was screwed outwards to push the wheel backwards it jammed up in the threads and would not turn either way.

Dealer was OK about it and fitted two new screws (of a revised design!) and even loaned me a brand new TDM demonstrator.

Next time you get the spanners out it might be worth giving yours a check - there is a drain hole in the swing-arm just below the screw so it should be possible to squirt some WD40 onto the screw just in case.

Next time my wheel comes out I'm going to replace both screws with stainless steel ones and cover them in copper grease.

[amarko5]

<!--quoteo(post=22628:date=Wed 22nd Nov 2006, 10:14 PM:name=Wibble)-->QUOTE(Wibble @ Wed 22nd Nov 2006, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hi Folks,

My bike is still in warranty so its just had its 12000 service at a dealer - when I got it back the back wheel was not in line (they had used the swing-arm marks but they are miles out). When I went to adjust it correctly the adjuster screw broke in two!

Where the screws pass through the alloy casting into the box section of the swing-arm a ring of corrosion had formed - when this was screwed outwards to push the wheel backwards it jammed up in the threads and would not turn either way.

Dealer was OK about it and fitted two new screws (of a revised design!) and even loaned me a brand new TDM demonstrator.

Next time you get the spanners out it might be worth giving yours a check - there is a drain hole in the swing-arm just below the screw so it should be possible to squirt some WD40 onto the screw just in case.

Next time my wheel comes out I'm going to replace both screws with stainless steel ones and cover them in copper grease.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

hey wibble did you remember to undo the bolt in the caliper torque mounting ? "muggins here forgot that the first time" then wondered why it wouldn't move (doh)

[iand1947]

<!--quoteo(post=22628:date=Wed 22nd Nov 2006, 10:14 PM:name=Wibble)-->QUOTE(Wibble @ Wed 22nd Nov 2006, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Next time you get the spanners out it might be worth giving yours a check - there is a drain hole in the swing-arm just below the screw so it should be possible to squirt some WD40 onto the screw just in case.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks for the warning.

[Jez]

<!--quoteo(post=22628:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:14 AM:name=Wibble)-->QUOTE(Wibble @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->cover them in copper grease.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This is best course of action imho. It is someting I do regularly.

Do not use copper grease though. It will work but copper grease is for screwing stainless into ally where there may be a chemical reaction which could cause corrosion. More importantly though is that it washes off too quickly. Use ordinary yellow grease instead.

This post was last modified: 23-11-2006, 08:25 AM by Jez.

[nhstedium]

<!--quoteo(post=22672:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:02 AM:name=Jez)-->QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This is best course of action imho. It is someting I do regularly.

Do not use copper grease though. It will work but copper grease is for screwing stainless into ally where there may be a chemical reaction which could cause corrosion. More importantly though is that it washes off too quickly. Use ordinary yellow grease instead.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


i always douse them in WD40 when the bike is washed . I go through a tyre about every 2 & 1/2 months so the adjusters are well used taking the wheel in & out

[iand1947]

<!--quoteo(post=22677:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 08:13 AM:name=nhstedium)-->QUOTE(nhstedium @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I go through a tyre about every 2 & 1/2 months<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
????

[stu]

<!--quoteo(post=22672:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 08:02 AM:name=Jez)-->QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This is best course of action imho. It is someting I do regularly.

<!--coloro:#FF0000--><!--/coloro-->Do not use copper grease though<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->. It will work but copper grease is for screwing stainless into ally where there may be a chemical reaction which could cause corrosion. More importantly though is that it washes off too quickly. Use ordinary yellow grease instead.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Why not ?

http://www.molyslip.co.uk/antiseize.html

[nhstedium]

<!--quoteo(post=22680:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:16 AM:name=Pict)-->QUOTE(Pict @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--> ????<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

SHOULD HAVE BIN 4 NOT 2 , trying to scan carpe at work without getting caught < I do about 1400miles a month

This post was last modified: 23-11-2006, 11:12 AM by nhstedium.

[iand1947]

<!--quoteo(post=22697:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:56 AM:name=nhstedium)-->QUOTE(nhstedium @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->SHOULD HAVE BIN 4 NOT 2 , trying to scan carpe at work without getting caught < <!--coloro:#6633FF--><!--/coloro-->I do about 1400miles a month<!--colorc-->
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Are you a midwife or what?? Still seems a lot of changing - every 4200? What tyres?

[stu]

<!--quoteo(post=22705:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 11:11 AM:name=Pict)-->QUOTE(Pict @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Are you a midwife or what?? Still seems a lot of changing - every 4200? What tyres?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Are you a mathematician or what ?? Thats 6300 (1400 x 4.5)

[King OFF the Road]

<!--quoteo(post=22672:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 08:02 AM:name=Jez)-->QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#CC0000--><!--/coloro-->Do not use copper grease though. <!--colorc-->
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I can not agree with this copper grease is much more water resistant that ordinary grease, which is one of the reasons why it is so good.

[ripper]

I always smear copper grease on the thread after I remove bolt the once its back in place I cover the whole thing in the best grease I can find at work.

[Guest]

Copper grease on Stainless is perfectly fine
It will not react

My local dealer used in on my SV1000, and all the stainless bolts screwed into Al on its first service

I've never had an issue with it, and I've been using it for over 10 years.

Stainless doesn't react with copper.
Copper grease is also very heat tolerate - it doesn't melt and run out.
Use it on your exhaust studs and nuts es p on the cylinder head.

[iand1947]

<!--quoteo(post=22713:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:00 PM:name=stu)-->QUOTE(stu @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Are you a mathematician or what ?? Thats 6300 (1400 x 4.5)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No - just a guy with a lousy headcold who didn't read things properly?
Still doesn't rule out friendly interest in the milage rate (hence the "midwife" comment) and tyre consumption - even 6200 doesn't seem a lot for a tyre?

[nhstedium]

<!--quoteo(post=22705:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 01:11 PM:name=Pict)-->QUOTE(Pict @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Are you a midwife or what?? Still seems a lot of changing - every 4200? What tyres?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Diabetic Retinal Screener/grader , Midwifery looks a bit messy

4200????? 4.5 X 1400 = 6300 no? Avon Azarro ( when they're really squared off they're junked as they feel 'orrible )

[robelst]

<!--quoteo(post=22714:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:02 PM:name=Andy K)-->QUOTE(Andy K @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I can not agree with this copper grease is much more water resistant that ordinary grease, which is one of the reasons why it is so good.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree, I've used the stuff for over 20 years now for almost anything (except culinary- and sanitary applications ) and it's brilliant. Good heat resistance as well, although lithium grease works well too.

I think copper grease being harmful is just as much a myth as WD40 breaking down plastics, ACF50 dissolving tyres, and bike dealers using torque wrenches

This post was last modified: 23-11-2006, 03:24 PM by robelst.

[iand1947]

<!--quoteo(post=22726:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 02:06 PM:name=nhstedium)-->QUOTE(nhstedium @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--> Diabetic Retinal Screener/grader , Midwifery looks a bit messy

4200????? 4.5 X 1400 = 6300 no? Avon Azarro ( when they're really squared off they're junked as they feel 'orrible )<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No offence, I hope (wrote note too early in the morning) Stu's already picked up on the maths.

1) Just interested - I was in the blood & transplant service (plasma fractionation products) till recently.
2) I guess you'e right, but I'm just a bit meaner!

[Jez]

<!--quoteo(post=22672:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:02 AM:name=Jez)-->QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This is best course of action imho. It is someting I do regularly.

Do not use copper grease though. <!--coloro:#FF0000--><!--/coloro-->It will work <!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc--> but copper grease is for screwing stainless into ally where there may be a chemical reaction which could cause corrosion. More importantly though is that <!--coloro:#FF0000--><!--/coloro-->it washes off too quickly<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->. Use ordinary yellow grease instead.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--quoteo(post=22693:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:44 PM:name=stu)-->QUOTE(stu @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Why not ?
http://www.molyslip.co.uk/antiseize.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See highlighted thread above, stu.

<!--quoteo(post=22716:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 02:31 PM:name=GuyGraham)-->QUOTE(GuyGraham @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Copper grease on Stainless is perfectly fine
It will not react

My local dealer used in on my SV1000, and all the stainless bolts screwed into Al on its first service

I've never had an issue with it, and I've been using it for over 10 years.

Stainless doesn't react with copper.
Copper grease is also very heat tolerate - it doesn't melt and run out.
Use it on your exhaust studs and nuts es p on the cylinder head.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yes it is fine. It is for use with stainless and ally, particularly where it gets hot, to stop the chemical reaction that would otherwise corrode them together.

All I am saying is that in my experience it washes off far quicker than yellow grease.

[stu]

<!--quoteo(post=22737:date=Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 04:23 PM:name=Jez)-->QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 23rd Nov 2006, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->See highlighted thread above, stu.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See highlighted link above, Jez.

"In the Marine Industry
...protects moving parts against the arduous and corrosive marine environment."


Are you using the right copper grease ?


J/K

[bof69]

I always use Lithium Grease (horrid Gunmetal Grey stuff) I've used this since my days working on Land Rovers(they have lots of Steel nuts/bolts thru ally) it stops the electrolisis between the metals, Copper Slip should also have the same effect. But as a few others have noted, I also go through a set of 020's in about 8 - 10 weeks (always change both) so the adjusters are normaly quite well used but as its been off road for 4 months now (bloody accident) I will give them a good spray with WD40 asap.